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#1 by I hate u on March 12, 2010 - 10:31 pm
Do you think I can learn "effectively" computer languages on my own?
So, I wanted to major at computer programming. Or at least learn many languages, so I can build programs and possible get into the computer software business.
I have this c ++ class, but it seems kind of complicated. However, when I read the book is actually half easy to get through the chapters.
My professors makes use of scanf’s and print’s statements instead of cout and cin statements, to start with (It’s not different, but yeah it kind of confuses me at times)
Once, my professor told us that we indeed need classes because what they teach is the implementation and logic of how to resolve problems. Then, I have this friend who never attended school, read some programming books and now she’s altering and building games. She even dismantles pcs and knows how to fix them.
From your experience, do you think is worth to spend in class, or be on your own. Well, have some help once in while of course…
Well, computer jobs are not what I want for my future, but I want to at least make some kind of work into that field.
My professor basically said that even though we may know the syntax of c ++ we need to take those classes for logic and all that stuff in order to be successful.
#2 by √τom on March 13, 2010 - 3:33 am
Is it worth going to class? Yes. Can it be easier to learn on your own (with your own techniques) rather than going through only what the teacher gives you? Absolutely. I’m a Senior in high school and I’m taking AP Computer Science. I have never programmed before, and I can say that so far, about 90% of the programming experience I have was learned on my own, by manipulating simple programs and trying things out of curiosity.
One thing all programmers should keep in mind is that everyone will program different, and there are millions of ways to construct the code of a program to do a certain thing. In my opinion, the class is not just for the logic of programs, but a great way to learn new ways to achieve the same goal.
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#3 by Stiff Stiff Stiff on March 13, 2010 - 3:35 am
Before I got my job as a PC tech, I knew nothing of writing code. We use VB for our logon scripts, and it would take a week or so to have someone alter it for me, even to just add a printer to it.
So I opened it up, copied and pasted, and off I went. Started to learn it that way. If I needed it to do something else, I’d look up a sample script, copy and paste, test, cut out the unnecessary pieces, and build it from there.
I may not know how to build a script or code from scratch, but if I had more time, I believe I could learn how on my own. You don’t NEED classes to learn anything, even code, but it’s a good start if you don’t know where to look. Books rock.
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#4 by Cheeze on March 13, 2010 - 3:37 am
I am in a C++ class right now. Books are OK but when you get stuck, it is nice to have someone to show your problem too and get feedback. I say keep taking classes!
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#5 by two pi on March 13, 2010 - 3:39 am
I can answer this question because I was self taught, and now I teach and write about programming for a living.
You can absolutely learn to program ‘on your own.’ Of course, you won’t really be on your own, as you’ll be learning from an author or programmer who’s work you’re studying.
You do not need to listen to a lecturer to learn computer science. This is an active topic that requires you to participate completely, not simply listen to lectures.
Having said these things, most people do learn faster and better if they are in a good class with a skilled programming teacher. (sadly these are rare; the skills that make you a good programmer are different than those that make you a good teacher.)
A class will force you to actually write code on a schedule.You’ll have to write code regularly and submit it for evaluation.
A good teacher can ramp up the difficulty level appropriately. If you don’t know what you’re doing, you’re likely to choose topics in the wrong order, attempting a complex topic (like game AI) that requires knowledge of several more basic topics (like data structures, arrays, functions, and loops)
You don’t know what you don’t know. You’ll tend to pick projects that are interesting to you. This is fine, but you may entirely miss an important concept that you would have really enjoyed. An experienced tour guide can make sure you don’t miss any important sights.
Syntax is not programming. This is a craft, and there has never been a better way to learn a craft than to learn from a master craftsman. Your professor is correct that the way you think (logic is part of it) is far more important than what codes you type. Hmmm… I said all this to my students tonight!
Your best bet is to use both the professor and your book to balance each other out. For example, ask why cin and cout are alternatives to scanf and printf, and when one approach might be preferred over the other.
I do not mean to minimize your friend’s skills, but being able to modify games is not necessarily a programming skill. Building a computer is actually quite a bit easier than creating a computer program. As you advance in your programming skills, you’ll probably see these things for yourself.
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#6 by layth on March 13, 2010 - 3:41 am
I’m in 8th grade im taking Ap computer Science using java not c++ but from what ive seen there not that different and im not having a difficult time with it but I think you should stick with staying in th classroom as you may need some help and that is the easiest way to get then trying to find in the text book
go to this link to see some of the programs ive made
I would have not been able to do it as well as i did if it wasn’t from the help from inside the classroom
In the classroom you will also find it a lot more organized and neat
http://showcase.apcs.info/mahdi/
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#7 by striker on March 13, 2010 - 3:43 am
Have you tried 3DRAD or Blitz3D ?
I have made a full game using 3DRAD. It’s not hard at all, just requires some patience working around it’s limitations.
check out my demos at :
http://tinystudents.com
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